64. Sharon Marie Scott + The Pleasure Renaissance
‼️ TW - frank talk of SA, pedophiles, sex, sexuality, sexual pleasure and sexual sovereignty. ‼️
Let’s talk about Land + Spirit!
64. Life Turned On
Pleasure is our birthright and the compass to a life turned on to aliveness. Joy, delight and ecstasy are the frequency of our transformation.
Sharon Marie Scott talks with us about all of these things and much more in our hour and a half marathon. Enjoy!
Transcript
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Sharon (she/her): Sorry, that took an extra second.
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Lezley: Hi.
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Sharon (she/her): Hi!
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Lezley: Sorry, I had to accept the schedule for you to get anything. I went in, and I'm like, oh, my bad.
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Lezley: Sorry about that.
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Sharon (she/her): No problem. I just happened to notice as I was, like, gearing up, and I'm like, oops, I hope… I hope it went through.
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Lezley: Where do I go? What's up?
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah, thanks, thanks for responding so quickly. And then, I have this funny thing, ever since my Mac updated, there's no button on my mail to, like, check mail, right? I guess it's on its own, like, little timer, so I can't physically… there is no button for me to push on check mail, so it's coming through on my phone.
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Sharon (she/her): your email response came through on my phone, but it wasn't coming through on my computer, and I'm like.
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Sharon (she/her): Like, I'm trying, like, how do I get the link to my computer? Anyway, so that's why I took the extra second. I did. I had a Facebook Messenger myself.
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Sharon (she/her): So I could get here today. Hi, so good to meet you.
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Lezley: Hi! It's good to meet you, too. Now, before we start, I want to know, how do I refer to you? Because you have…
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Lezley: multiple names, and I said Sharon at one point, and then you responded with Sharon Marie, and I wanna, you know, know that I'm responding calmly.
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Sharon (she/her): I'm going more with Sharon Marie these days, but I certainly answer to Sharon, it's no problem at all.
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Lezley: If you stick the Marie, I won't pretend I didn't hear you. Nice.
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Sharon (she/her): Okay.
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Lezley: That's good. I like, you know, names are important. I like to know.
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Sharon (she/her): No, and it's not something I went by my whole life, I went by Sharon, but there's something about the identity, stepping into this identity in the last several years, and also the reference to Mary. I almost didn't realize. I really didn't realize until, like, sometime in the last 12 months, I read an article, I was like.
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Sharon (she/her): Realizing just how potent my name actually is. Sharon means fertile plain.
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Sharon (she/her): and Mary, Marie for Mary, and, you know, and on the spiritual journey that I'm on, that's significant, and so that's why I'm sort of just… I didn't… I didn't change my name, I'm just finally using the name I was given. Yeah.
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Lezley: Yeah, the full. And is Sharon, is that Hebrew?
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Lezley: Yeah, interesting.
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Sharon (she/her): Which I didn't have any ties to my Ashkenazi Jew heritage until I took a 33andMe test. Didn't know anything about it. I mean, I was aware my father's family was Jewish, but didn't know anything beyond that, where I don't have a lot of connections to family at all on either side. And so, it's a discovery that's happening, this sort of excavation that's happening.
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Sharon (she/her): In fact, my mother told me forever that I would not get any gray hair because of our heritage, and it was only after… this is so curious, right? Creative our reality… it was only after I got the 33andMe test and found out… by the way, it's my largest 20% Ashkenazi Jew.
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Sharon (she/her): that my gray started to come in. And I was like… It's exciting. I know, right? I find that fascinating, and it was like.
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Sharon (she/her): I'm even not… I'm not that even close to my mother, but it was, like, that one thing I could call her about and be like, Mom, I've got gray hair. It's like the last thing, you know, menopause is already done, so I'm like, alright, I get to tell my mom something, she gets to be my mom!
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Sharon (she/her): Or something.
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Lezley: Or something, yeah.
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Sharon (she/her): Or something, yeah. Because I parented her for… A lot of… our relationship.
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Lezley: Which is partly great.
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Sharon (she/her): So it's struggled. We struggle now, but…
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Lezley: Yeah.
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Sharon (she/her): It was one of those things where I got to be a daughter for a moment, and that was.
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Lezley: That's nice. Yeah, no, I like that.
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Lezley: I resonate with the ancestral ties thing, that's a big… identity piece for me lately.
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Lezley: As well, so I really resonate with that.
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Lezley: I really love what you're doing. I love this conversation coming out into the world.
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Lezley: So…
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Sharon (she/her): What part of it, so that… what can we dig into? What's… because I want it to be just as juicy and relevant to you all, I mean…
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Sharon (she/her): The book is ancillary, right? It's really these conversations and this whole movement of this pleasure renaissance that I'm really throwing myself behind that… Pleasure renaissance renaissance.
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah, yeah. It's a larger global movement that, of course, all of this… all this feeds into, but it's about restoring
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Sharon (she/her): Pleasure as, like, the lens through which we decide to live and thrive in our lives, instead of this conditioning of, like, survival and competition and comparison.
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Sharon (she/her): And restoring that to… like, literally changing the cultural narrative, because we have…
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Sharon (she/her): we, you know, the cultural narrative was sexuality and spirituality don't belong in the same space, or pleasure is a reward or an indulgence. And we have had that cultural narrative alive for so long that we have created systems of government and hierarchical social structures and everything built on those narratives. And so, I feel like part of this movement is to start seeding a new cultural narrative around pleasure and
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Sharon (she/her): liveness.
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Lezley: I love it.
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Lezley: For me, it speaks to the reconnection with body, reconnection to earth, rerouting, like…
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Lezley: Western civilization period, settlers on Turtle Island, just completely disconnected from land, from roots, from ancestors, from…
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Lezley: pre-Christian Indigenous land-based spiritual and cultural practice that.
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Lezley: Didn't have this… Spirituality is away from the body, away from the land, away from…
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Lezley: Like, natural human function and feeling and desires.
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Lezley: Like, desire, the root… I love words, and the root of desire is from the stars.
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Lezley: And…
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Sharon (she/her): me more, I'm so excited.
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Lezley: Oh, well, it, like, literally that. Desire is…
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Lezley: The calling of the stars, the calling of the cosmos to pull you further towards your…
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Lezley: discovery of yourself, and your reasons for being here, and, you know, the purpose, the whole… the whole life-giving joy of being alive, desire of the stars. So it's not this…
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Sharon (she/her): part of my… part of my program, too, is that pleasure is the compass, but desires are the map. Desires are how you specifically are meant to serve, you know, the collective, and meant to live out, like, your own Dharma, and I think pleasure is the… pleasure is the technology that tells you when you're on your Dharma and when you're not.
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Lezley: 100%, I love that. Like, our bodies are wisdom tools, ancient, ancient wisdom tools.
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Sharon (she/her): I got chills!
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Lezley: Yes! Yeah. And I mean, also, think about an institution that wants to control your relationship with divinity, and your purpose on Earth, and what you do.
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Lezley: Yeah, disconnect you from your body and from that natural compass, and make desire and pleasure really, really small, and a reward for after. So now can be a pile of shit.
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Lezley: Now can be this horrible, chory slavery, but you'll be rewarded.
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Sharon (she/her): We'll dole out… we'll dole out the little bits of pleasure and tell you what pleasure is, by the way, too. We'll define it for you.
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Lezley: Right, right, define that for you, not let you decide and come into relationship with that yourself. Oh, 100%, choirs… speaking to choir here, for sure. Yeah.
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Sharon (she/her): I was gonna say, I've got, you know, I've had more than… I've had a number of podcast interviews, and…
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Sharon (she/her): let's just say not every podcaster can speak to the nuance of what we're talking about, you know? And so that's… it really… it makes me even, like, more wanting to sink my teeth into the conversation with you, because we're gonna go there to those places.
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Lezley: 100%.
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Sharon (she/her): You know, surface-level sexuality or something.
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Lezley: It's so much bigger than… than that.
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Lezley: It's so much bigger than that. Now, I'm curious now about, did you have, any religious upbringing?
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Sharon (she/her): I did, but it was pretty mild. It was, like, Methodist, you know, so it's like, you know, diluted Kool-Aid. Nice. So not a whole lot, but… and…
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Sharon (she/her): You know, it was more like the modeling of.
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Sharon (she/her): Well, we'll get into it, but really what happened was I was… I was a… I was a person who experienced sexual abuse and incest as a child.
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Sharon (she/her): And those experiences were pleasurable to my 5- and 6-year-old body. It's true that they were wrong, I get it, it's true that I could not consent to them, it doesn't change the experience that my 5- and 6-year-old body had, and nobody gets to tell her anymore.
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Sharon (she/her): that what she experienced needs to be filled with shame. But that's what… the way she was conditioned to feel about it, because it needed to be kept a secret. And so I, as a 5- and 6-year-old, with no guidance around how to feel about any of these things, I got these wires were crossed. And so, not only did… not only did I decide that a feeling pleasure in my body was a threat and a danger to connection.
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Sharon (she/her): With… and love.
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Sharon (she/her): But that anything, any piece of my life that got too close to this, like, joy threshold, or this pleasure threshold.
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Sharon (she/her): was, in fact, a threat, and so I, you know, subconsciously sabotaged so much of my life in every, every aspect, until I discovered the crossed wires.
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Sharon (she/her): And unravel them.
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Lezley: staying.
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Lezley: Interesting, because I as well… was,
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Lezley: sexually interfered with when I was 3 and 4.
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Lezley: And… For me, it was very… buried…
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Lezley: And it was more and shameful, but also connection to my body, because it was, like you said, pleasurable, but it was too intense for that young body to handle.
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah.
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Lezley: Do you know what I mean? And there was a lot of fear.
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Lezley: Around those feelings.
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Lezley: Especially during puberty.
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Lezley: There's a lot of fear about allowing
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Lezley: Yeah. Allowing that, and what that meant, and…
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Lezley: The desire… do you even have the desire to unzip yourself from your body? Just unzip and be able to get out.
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Sharon (she/her): Wow, I've never had that visual, but that is a really clear…
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Sharon (she/her): Set of emotions that my body's feeling in your description.
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Lezley: Yeah, yeah, so I had never… Heard anyone say… About the pleasure of that.
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Lezley: Not needing to be connected to shame, because that wasn't my shame.
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah.
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah.
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Lezley: And even in the course of the Forbidden Alchemy book, there's actually a journey that that 5- and 6-year-old goes through that.
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Sharon (she/her): where she came into my self-pleasure practice, and she wanted to take pleasures, like, and I was like, yeah, let's see what that feels like, and I let that part of me, you know, embody myself, and…
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Sharon (she/her): And I thought, oh, great, I've healed her. That's what I thought. And then, like, a month later, I was with the partner, and I was, like, really taking my pleasure, which was a big deal for me, right? To be battling that shame through the shame, and saying, I'm gonna really take my pleasure, and I was, like, on top of him, and really grinding him, and then she came in again, and was like…
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Sharon (she/her): I wanna… can I take this pleasure? And I'm like, yeah, so I brought her in then, and then there's another little series of dates I had with another partner who we have a daddy-baby girl dynamic.
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Sharon (she/her): In the bedroom with. And it was an incremental of, you know, just her allowing herself more and more, yes.
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Lezley: And just…
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Sharon (she/her): How incredibly, you know, Incredibly expansive and healing that was for me.
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Lezley: Okay, because I'm having, like, so much discomfort right now about my own, like, internal fantasies about this stuff, right? Because I'm like, it's fine for me to have that for myself, it's completely another thing for me to talk about this publicly.
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Lezley: Right now, I'm just.
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Sharon (she/her): Struggling away.
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Lezley: okay, alright, we're doing this, we're doing this, fine. But I have a question about, like, actual pedophiles, and this conversation that's happening online about an attempt to normalize this. Like, and I've… have you seen this?
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Sharon (she/her): No.
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Lezley: Oh my god, there's…
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Sharon (she/her): I do remember this really crucial episode of Picket Fences.
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Lezley: I don't know what that is.
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Sharon (she/her): it was a courtroom TV show, and they really tackled top subjects, and they really gave you both sides and everything in between, and there was a pedophile that was on trial. And what it did for me was I just understood better, like.
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Sharon (she/her): most pedophiles are not trying to hurt anyone, I'm not trying to justify anything, but it doesn't change the truth, which is their compulsion is not even something they want. Like, through this character, I was able to understand, like.
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Sharon (she/her): It's something that they, you know, yes, they can help it, but it is a compulsion. And their goal is not to hurt anyone, it is to actually to love them.
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Sharon (she/her): And I look back on the experiences I had, and one was like that, and it was an adult, and one wasn't. It was my brother, and he was just really out for the thrill. But I did understand in this different way that that must be hard on them, on the pedophile, to want these things that are so not right.
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Lezley: Yeah.
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Sharon (she/her): And so I don't know the argument about normalizing. Tell me more… I'm just gonna turn my heater off so it doesn't make any noise in the background, but tell me about that.
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Lezley: Yeah, yeah.
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Lezley: I… I…
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Lezley: I'll be honest, I don't sit for these conversations. I don't want to hear the… the arguments about, what's wrong.
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Lezley: With having sex with children.
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Sharon (she/her): That's the question they're posing?
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Lezley: yes, literally. What's wrong with it? And I'm like, like, so much, where do you want me to start? Like, consent for the first thing, and the empower, the balance empower, like, the power imbalance there, and just all of it, but there is…
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Lezley: There is far more bold… Statement of people saying that they like this, and that they should be allowed
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Lezley: To do this, in society.
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Lezley: with legal consent.
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Lezley: And…
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Sharon (she/her): Part of the Renaissance… the Pleasure Renaissance initiatives, the two global initiatives are female genital mutilation, pleasure as a birthright, and child marriage is the second one.
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Lezley: And… and this is what? Sorry, I missed the first part.
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Sharon (she/her): I have two global initiatives in my.
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Lezley: Oh, okay, okay, global initiatives.
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah, and I'm actually in connection with, actually, a new lover who I didn't even know has been working with the international court system, and knows about female genital mutilation, and does a lot of campaigning for human rights, like human rights for science.
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Sharon (she/her): And he's like, maybe we can make a campaign for human rights or pleasure. So I'm in those conversa… I'm about to be in those conversations.
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Lezley: Okay. Okay.
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Lezley: It's just… it's a weird… like, from a… I think it's part of the film…
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Sharon (she/her): Children.
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Lezley: Sorry?
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Sharon (she/her): Well, I'm just saying, you know, this is part of the conversation to me, like, what if it's two children that are playing innocently together?
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Lezley: Wow.
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Sharon (she/her): Sure.
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Lezley: Yeah, yeah, and that's…
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Sharon (she/her): You know, there's that, too. So what's the question?
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Lezley: though, like… like, that to me isn't as… as… Problematic as an adult.
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Sharon (she/her): I agree.
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Lezley: child.
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Sharon (she/her): That's what I was wondering, is where did it sit on the spectrum for you? That's what I was wondering.
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Lezley: Oh, yeah, no, that's like… There's an equality there, and a discovery there that doesn't have the same…
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Lezley: Dominance and manipulation in it.
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah, I think.
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Lezley: Jimmy hasn't.
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Sharon (she/her): with no, right? With the ability to say no, or to even.
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Lezley: Oh, yeah. Right, right.
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Sharon (she/her): me very well, I certainly want you to be able to hear me.
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Lezley: Yeah, no, sometimes… there's been some, like, freezing and whatever, and I'm not sure if it's the internet or whatnot.
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Lezley: This is very interesting, I'm… I'm…
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Lezley: I don't know where this is gonna go, I'm just saying, like, I'm in it here. And I lost what I was gonna say.
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Sharon (she/her): We were talking about… well, we were talking about the… the argument of the rightness or wrongness, and why would… why would adults think that that's okay? I… that just… that, again, like.
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Lezley: Oh, that's what I wanted to say. I feel like this is part of a larger crumbling of these no longer useful structures that were based in hierarchy.
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Lezley: There is a fundamental crumbling happening of this, and what that's bringing up, too, is people who have been quiet about these really not acceptable
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Lezley: But quietly, Are now just out there.
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Sharon (she/her): I think that's good that it's out there.
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Sharon (she/her): As opposed to behind closed doors, so that we can…
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Sharon (she/her): point… we can point to those people and say, not that, or whatever, you know, whatever our response is to that.
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Lezley: Yeah, 100%, that's what I think. It's like how popping a pimple. The pus is just out there, and everyone can go, oh, fuck, that's pussy. Like, ew.
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Lezley: Do you know? Like…
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Lezley: Like, I just feel like so many people are waking up to, like, oh, this… this whole made-up shit is really awful for most of us.
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Lezley: No one knows what to do, but we're all kind of realizing, yeah, this kind of sucks, generally, for a lot of people.
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Lezley: And, and good. Like, I'm glad.
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah, these are big conversations. I mean, my mind was going to,
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Sharon (she/her): wondering, because I've also done multi-dimensional healing, and so many, so many times these things have a connection to…
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Sharon (she/her): You know, something they didn't get when they were a child, and I was just going through my mind of, like, what would that be? You know, like, for me, it's a reclamation of the innocence of pleasure.
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Sharon (she/her): And I had all these people, even when they found out about it, telling me things like, I'm so sorry that happened to you, that's so terrible that that happened to you. And I understand where they're coming from, and they were well-meaning.
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Sharon (she/her): But because of my pleasurable experience, I… that's how I locked into that my pleasure is dangerous, my pleasure is something I'm not supposed to feel good about.
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Sharon (she/her): I'm so… I should be sorry that it felt good, and it was a terrible thing.
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Sharon (she/her): That felt good about that. And that the implication was that I would lose love from people if they found out that they found out, or if they found out that I liked it, or that I…
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Sharon (she/her): I received pleasure from it. And I even courted it at times, you know, I felt really a lot of shame around that as a child, but I was a very touched eye of childhood in an emotionally neglectful and abusive
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Lezley: And ashamed for that need, like, the fundamental need of… of touch.
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Sharon (she/her): So that as an adult, when my body got aroused, it shut down. And I didn't know that was happening, and we can have this conversation, you know, live if you want, but a lover pointed it out to me that something happened when my clothes came off, and…
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Sharon (she/her): I thought that I was hiding it better. I mean, I wanted to… because I wanted to be there, so I was… it was this constant conflict of, like, absolutely wanting to be there in this moment of intimacy, and then my body
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Lezley: They're shutting down.
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Sharon (she/her): And having to unwind all of that. Or having to unwind fantasy from my orgasm, that was also another unwinding that had to take place.
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Sharon (she/her): I couldn't just… because I wasn't allowing my body to just feel pleasure, I couldn't just…
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Sharon (she/her): I had to bring in fantasy because there was this… this thing that would happen. I didn't… again, I didn't have language for all this at the time, but there was a disconnect between my body and my mind.
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Sharon (she/her): And so it was about removing the fantasy, and I… so I would… I would self-pleasure up to a certain place, and then right before orgasm, I would stop the self-pleasure, but tune into the body. And then over time, I kept making that gap wider, so I'd stop
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Sharon (she/her): self… I'd stop fantasy earlier and earlier and earlier until I could just be in my body.
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Sharon (she/her): For me, it was required to organize.
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Sharon (she/her): So, if that's true…
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah, I couldn't, because I couldn't, I couldn't just be in my body. That was not safe, you know? But again, it was all subconscious at that point.
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Sharon (she/her): I was like, what is going on here? Two different things are happening. My mind is saying one thing, and my body is completely responding the opposite.
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Lezley: Okay.
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Lezley: Hmm.
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Lezley: I'm thinking about a lot of things.
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Sharon (she/her): Mmm.
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah.
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Lezley: How would you like, pleasure to be discussed in…
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Lezley: the world, what's your highest ideal and vision for the discussion of pleasure in our society?
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah, and for me, pleasure doesn't just mean sexual pleasure.
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Sharon (she/her): category of pleasure. Pleasure for me means aliveness.
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Sharon (she/her): you feel alive. Arousal, and desire, too. Desire is more arousal with direction.
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Sharon (she/her): Arousal, for me, I don't know how spiritual your following is, but I'm super woo-y. So, for me, arousal is literally, like, what the energy of the universe and creation is made from.
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Sharon (she/her): So to be in your arousal, and again, it doesn't have to be sexual arousal, although that's how my body translates it even now, like, I can just think about…
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Sharon (she/her): like, the walk I'm gonna take later, and the beauty I'm gonna see, and my body will get sexually aroused, but that's because I've done work enough that I allow that to happen. But that arousal itself is creation energy, and when you, like, if I think of somebody or something that makes me sexually aroused.
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Sharon (she/her): I can then take that energy and move it
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Sharon (she/her): and apply it anywhere I want. I can put it in my body for more pleasure, I can feed it into a connection that I'm having in a moment, I can put it into my creativity, like, if I have a writer's block.
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Sharon (she/her): I self-pleasure, but I don't climax. So I build the… I build the creation energy until a level.
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Sharon (she/her): I no longer self-pleasure, but I have the energy, and now the engine's running again. I go back to the creative project, and suddenly, all of the doors unlock.
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Lezley: Really interesting.
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Lezley: Interesting.
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Lezley: I've been… I saw your, social media post about… Crushes.
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Sharon (she/her): Yes, yes, yes.
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Lezley: And I, like…
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Lezley: so sweet, and that's that… the sweetness of it, and the fact that crushes are, like… and thank God I'm older now, and can understand that attraction and arousal doesn't mean…
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Sharon (she/her): I want to pursue anything.
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Lezley: Right! It's there with wisdom. It's there with… if you're willing to, like, let it be there.
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Lezley: Do you know what I mean? It has a lot…
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Lezley: Yeah, just sit in the…
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Sharon (she/her): That's the aliveness.
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Lezley: Yes, the aliveness, the cauldron. So, energy.
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Lezley: I know, right? That's very sexy.
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Sharon (she/her): tall. Yeah.
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Lezley: Yeah. But, yeah, I really resonated with that, because that's just kind of new, that crush thing, and letting it teach me. And it's such a mirror. Like, that's how I've been learning about it, is that…
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Lezley: It's a mirror for me to,
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Lezley: what I see in myself, or I want to bring out in myself.
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Sharon (she/her): Yep.
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Lezley: Which, I mean, that's a… that's a huge eye-opener for me.
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah, and it's… that's the compass. Like, that's the compass. It's move in that direction, because that is where you're meant to go. So I worked in comic books and video games for a long time.
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Sharon (she/her): And so I have this motto for the video game part, it's, you are the god of the game.
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Sharon (she/her): your body is the console, and your pleasures are the cheat codes. Like, if you want to know, like, why am I here? What's my dharma? What is the thing I'm supposed to leave behind, I believe pleasure is the answer. Like, that's how you know you're on the right path, is if you have choices, pick the thing that makes you feel more alive, the more pleasurable.
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Sharon (she/her): And you will do it. You will unlock your consciousness, you'll find your Dharma, you'll call in your highest timeline. Pleasure is… that's how it's a technology to me. It is literally the answer.
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Lezley: And that makes so much sense. Why would it be anything else?
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Sharon (she/her): Exactly. Like, why would it be anything else? Yes, we are both the game player in the game, and we're the game designer. We are meant to be gods at play in this reality.
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah. So I can't
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Sharon (she/her): my boy, I have just big, big, body chills, and I don't get that a lot these days, but that's, like, big fuck yes from my spirit team, like, big fuck yes. So, like, I can't talk at that
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Sharon (she/her): everyone about the Pleasure Renaissance, but that's it. That's where I'm coming from.
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Sharon (she/her): it's creationary. Like, it's literally… we… like, and this is what I'm getting constantly, over and over again, is we are…
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Lezley: accepting the power and the sovereignty to recreate this world. And, like, you've tapped into the engine about the pleasure being the juice.
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Sharon (she/her): It's so much faster than the shadow work. Shadow work… shadow work is healing, right? So shadow work fills your cup to full now. Now you're just whole, but you're not experiencing pleasure yet. Pleasure happens after that. Pleasure is the geyser.
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Sharon (she/her): You know, that takes place after.
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Lezley: So many things to ask. Okay, so, okay, remind me that I want to talk about victims, okay?
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Lezley: But first, what does woo mean to you? Because that's a trigger word for me lately that I'm… I'm gonna have to address.
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Lezley: Like…
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Sharon (she/her): Well, and it probably means something… To share?
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Sharon (she/her): similar to both of us. I mean, it's like, woo! You know, like, it's a little like that. And I say it to mock… to mock myself, because I'm one of those people now. So I say… I use it on purpose, probably in the same way you did, but I'm just a little further on in my integration, reintegration of that, or that integration of that word.
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Sharon (she/her): Because I used to tease people that talk the way I do now.
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Sharon (she/her): So I use it on purpose, to claim it.
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Lezley: Okay, yeah, and I… layman.
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Lezley: But, once again, we go back to words. Woo means something. Do you know what woo means?
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Sharon (she/her): I do not.
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Lezley: It means honorable, pursuant of a love relationship with the world. Like, it means… like, when you woo someone, you're in an honorable pursuit of them loving you.
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Lezley: So, Wu, like, I'm… I'm irritated by Woo because it's used as a thought-terminating cliche.
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Lezley: Sut you up, and it's used and delivered with shame normally.
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Lezley: Because, shut up, we're not talking about this, this is ridiculous, this is nonsense.
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Lezley: And it's fucking exactly what's needed in the world. Woo, I'm right smack dab in the middle of the Woo.
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Lezley: But I… I was, up until recently, up until I looked into it, I had that little cringe, like, someone would say woo, and I'd be like.
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Lezley: Do you know what I mean? Because I would… that shame would still land.
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Lezley: And now I get it, like, now I understand what it is that Wu means, and it doesn't hit me the same anymore, but I definitely, every time it comes up, I'm like, okay, wait, let's talk about Wu, because it means this beautiful, beautiful…
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Lezley: Relationship pursuance, honorable, specifically honorable pursuing of love.
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah.
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Lezley: In the physical world.
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Sharon (she/her): Or, like, the innocence of that pursuit.
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Sharon (she/her): the, what's the other word? Purification. Like, there's a.
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Lezley: Do you know what I mean? Like, it's a relationship with the physical world.
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Lezley: like, land and spirit woven and sewn together forever. I want the earth to love me.
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Lezley: you know, the earth loves me. But, do you know what I mean? Like.
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Sharon (she/her): Well, because the Earth represents the body, too, right? I mean, that's…
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah, and I'm thinking of Mary Magdalene, and I'm thinking of, again, like, of… that's why I call myself an erotic mystic, because my… my relationship with the divine is through the body, and through pleasure and sensation.
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Sharon (she/her): Rather than it being like the monk, you know, where it's an asceticist… asceticism, or, you know, being outside of the body. So yeah, that's definitely where I'm coming from.
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Lezley: Yeah, and I really struggled with that… that role and doing this work because I thought I had to disconnect.
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Lezley: there was a deep, deep wound in me that… that believed that spirit was somehow separate from land, and that in order to be a spiritual person, I had to, like, sacrifice and forego being…
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Lezley: In the world.
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Sharon (she/her): Rooted.
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Lezley: Rooted, yeah, in my body, in love with the material plane, like, there's no separation.
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Sharon (she/her): And even from a spiritual point of view, what I'm learning and what's coming in through my meditation is that, in fact, like, I don't know if you use language like higher self or oversoul, but, like, rather than reaching… I know that my screen just, froze, but rather than reaching up.
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Sharon (she/her): into the cosmos, like you're talking about, in order to get that, whatever that is. It's actually about bringing the oversoul, or the higher self down into the three-dimensional, you know, that's why we're shifting to 5D, right? So, like, so that, I think, so that the collectively.
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Sharon (she/her): Our reality has the capacity to hold such a higher dimensional.
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Lezley: frequents… set of frequencies, you know? Yeah.
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Lezley: Yeah, for sure, it's, like, I see it as the bridge, like, the heart moving from the heart into the root, like, literally…
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Lezley: Allowing that to come down, yeah.
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Lezley: Yeah, I think that's why things are a little weird and messed up, too, is because…
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Lezley: So many people are unprepared to feel these feelings, or to reconnect with their bodies in this way, like, let me be in my mind! Let me just…
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Sharon (she/her): And what you're saying about, like, this pedophile conversation you talked about, and I think of it as…
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Sharon (she/her): as the political unrest that we're seeing right now, too, I know that in my personal expansion and healing journey, right before I make a big trans… a big breakthrough, there'll be a big breakdown, right? There'll be, like, that last-ditch effort of some old ego part of myself that tries to make one last grasp
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Sharon (she/her): And it's kind of waiting for me to make a decision, and like, no, I don't want to… like, doesn't want to die. And that's what I see. So maybe part of that pedophile conversation you're seeing is part of what we're seeing politically, which is that last die-off reach of this collective ego that is about to die and doesn't want to die.
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Lezley: Yeah, it's a… it's… I've heard it described as an extinction burst.
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Sharon (she/her): Mmm, okay. We're talking… I can tell we're talking about the same thing.
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Lezley: Yeah, 100%. 100%.
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Lezley: So I just wanted to go back to something you said earlier, like…
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Lezley: The abuse that you went through…
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Lezley: I understand it from what you've been saying as being… You own what it means.
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Lezley: Like, that's what I understand, is that you own what it means in your life.
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Sharon (she/her): I'd say that's a true statement.
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Lezley: Yeah.
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Lezley: And…
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Lezley: I'm sorry that this has taken me a bit to articulate.
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Lezley: So, I see two, two sides to trauma and abuse, where there's a victimhood that has to happen, where you have to say that this thing happened, like, this happened, and…
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Lezley: Like, it hurt, or it… like, this thing happened that… that was scary, or whatever it was, traumatic, painful, abusive, this thing happened.
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Lezley: But then at a point, you come into power…
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Sharon (she/her): Yep, absolutely.
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Lezley: And then you need, like, the power and the sovereignty is deciding, okay, now I get to decide what that means for me. How do you talk to people who…
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Lezley: Are not ready to make that, because victimhood is really delicious for some people.
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Sharon (she/her): I agree with you. And I would say I've literally transcended the whole victim-victimizer paradigm in the last, like, 15 months. It's been a…
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Sharon (she/her): a deep journey.
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Lezley: Of…
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Sharon (she/her): of recognizing the gift of these experiences for me. And of course, that's gonna be harder to tell someone who didn't have as, let's say, as pleasurable an experience as mine, but I… what I recognized, because what it did was, it destroyed the relationship to myself, right? And I had to… I had…
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Sharon (she/her): I was still in, like, the blaming others part, I mean, not that long ago, you know? Like, within the last, say, 3 years. Still blaming my mother, too, still wanting to sit in that victim story of my mother not taking care of me.
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Sharon (she/her): And… I think that the bridge that… for me to get there.
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Sharon (she/her): part of it was me recognizing, like, the journey that I'm on now, and being so in love with who I am.
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Sharon (she/her): And knowing that otherwise, I would not be the person I am but for… if my mother had not been such a fucked up parent.
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Sharon (she/her): Like, I wouldn't be on the pursuit of this amazing life full of vibrancy and pleasure and aliveness. It just wouldn't… and then the actual, like, erotic physical pleasure. I wouldn't be… it's like the pendulum… you only get the opposite, and so, like, because the pendulum swung so far…
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Sharon (she/her): I get to experience heights of pleasure that I've never imagined, and I know there's even more. But again, that's, you know, telling the person who's still in their victim.
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Sharon (she/her): pool. You know, that's a really hard thing to do, but I addressed this a little bit in the second book, which comes out in February. It's called Flesh and Flame, Pleasure as the Portal to Divine Mastery.
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Sharon (she/her): And I talk about walking away from my spousal support. I was supposed to have spousal support for, like, the next 16 years until I retired. But the, like, whole relationship I have to have with my ex, my former spouse, in order to do… to affect that and, like, be monitoring his finances and, like, picking and blah, and, like, even when I'm right.
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Sharon (she/her): I'm still in the battle.
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Lezley: And that's what feels… that's what I was just ready to not be a part of anymore.
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Sharon (she/her): Just not be a part of the fight at all anymore.
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Lezley: Interesting.
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Sharon (she/her): I got tired of my own victim's story.
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Lezley: Mmm.
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Sharon (she/her): But I did have to go through the period of saying I was a victim. It was important.
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Lezley: Yeah.
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Sharon (she/her): To feel the rage around that, to pick apart between just, like, blatant anger and, like, righteous rage was important for me to feel what all of those things felt like. And so I do think there's a journey that probably we all go on, and that just, like, how fast we get through the gates is gonna be different for every person.
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Sharon (she/her): But I do think that, like, naming myself as victim was a really important piece of that journey. In the same way that I went through, like, dependence to codependence, that was the way I was raised, to ultimately hyper-independence.
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Sharon (she/her): And now, interdependence, right? I do… I think that's also a really common journey, especially for us women who are raised in this way of, like, the masculine doing, and this is how you're going to be successful by doing and not feeling, and…
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Sharon (she/her): You know, so I see the patterns.
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Lezley: Yeah.
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Lezley: Okay, that's beautiful, I love that. I,
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Lezley: Because that's a hard… that's a difficult conversation to have… have, especially online.
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Sharon (she/her): I think you have to stretch your edge, you know, like…
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Sharon (she/her): It's like, it's like when you get wounded. I wrote an article about this a couple years ago. It's like, you sprain your ankle.
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Sharon (she/her): And you're right, you're injured, and you need to immobilize that ankle for a period of time.
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Sharon (she/her): But there's also times where you have to then start to stretch and use the ankle. Otherwise, you're gonna lose full mobility.
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Sharon (she/her): Right. And so, I feel like the same thing is true of trauma and wounding. It's like, yes, there's a period of time where it is appropriate and necessary for you to be, like, held up and immobilized emotionally.
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Sharon (she/her): But then you have to start stretching. You have to start taking yourself to the edge, and it's a little uncomfortable, and even a little painful sometimes.
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Sharon (she/her): But it's worth it to get the mobility back.
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Lezley: Right.
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Sharon (she/her): I see the analogy to what you're asking.
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Lezley: Yeah, yeah, no, I like that analogy.
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Lezley: How do you frame your conversations around pleasure, and the importance of that, and this… and this… and the…
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Lezley: the need for it. Against… Other things in the news, like…
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Lezley: Israel, Gaza, you know, Sudan, all of that kind of stuff, like, how do you frame these conversations? Because it can be taken as such a…
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Lezley: Selfish…
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Lezley: Do you know, yep.
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Lezley: How do you… how do you…
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Sharon (she/her): My best response… most natural response to that right now is that this is exactly the time to be having this conversation.
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Sharon (she/her): Because people who know their pleasure.
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Sharon (she/her): People who know what it takes for them to feel alive.
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Sharon (she/her): And they know how to go get those things in their life that make them feel alive, even if… and it's really not even going to get things, it's really just an opening and a decision to be, how am I going to inhabit this moment?
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Sharon (she/her): But I believe that people that know their pleasure, and know how to get it.
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Sharon (she/her): are people who are more fully formed and individuated, and who are less governable, or less controllable by systems that rule by fear and control. So that's my… that is my argument. I believe that the book…
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Sharon (she/her): I believe this conversation, I believe the movement of the pleasure renaissance are all pieces of activism that are super important, and this is exactly the time to be having them. While we're having this extinction… what'd you call it? Extinction?
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Lezley: Extinction bursts.
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah, this extension number. This is exactly… so that people know where to go.
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Lezley: Yeah.
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Sharon (she/her): Again, you can sit in your victim rage about the things happening in the world.
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Lezley: Or you can do something about it, and there are lots of ways to do something about it, but…
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Sharon (she/her): Becoming self-governable? Self-governing? By becoming sovereign? That's a big fucking way to do it.
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Lezley: I've been fucking…
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Sharon (she/her): Way to respond.
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Lezley: It's true. Soul sovereignty is like a…
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Lezley: clanging alarm… like, not alarm, but a bell, like a bell for me, that word, even sovereignty. Vine Deloria is an indigenous
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Lezley: Elder who's dead now, but he said that nothing changes in the physical world until it changes spiritually, until we resonate with it spiritually.
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Lezley: And… because I've struggled, because all of my work is spiritual-based.
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Lezley: it's not… do you know what I mean? Like, it's… it's loving the earth, but I'm not an activist.
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah. But you are.
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Lezley: Well, yeah, and I agree, I am, but not… not in a way that is obvious and easily… To the people that want to stay in this victim-victimizer paradigm. Fair. Fair.
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Lezley: Yeah, but it was important for me to understand and accept that we're all doing this work in our own way, and there's, like, an infinite number of ways to do this work in the world, to change what's happening, just by being sovereign, and by expressing sovereignty in the world.
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Lezley: Without any masks, or filter, or bullshit.
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Lezley: That resonates out into the shift.
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Sharon (she/her): I agree. And that's…
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Lezley: You know? You're doing it. And if… and if so many of us hold the frequency together, right? Yes.
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Sharon (she/her): It becomes, like, that's the… again, the potency, you know?
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Lezley: Critical mass.
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Lezley: There's a critical mass. As soon as there's enough
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Lezley: Holding that vibration, the whole thing's gonna shift.
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Sharon (she/her): Right. Yeah. I certainly come from that point of view, so I don't know, again, if your readers or your listeners are, you know, I am the creator of my reality. I don't know if that's their paradigm as they listen or not. It's certainly mine. I am fully self-governing. I take full responsibility for my experience of this reality.
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Sharon (she/her): And…
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Sharon (she/her): And my part in shifting it, in my part in shifting collectively. That I will… I believe that I'm moving in a direction that is shifting me out of a reality where this president is here doing this work, and it's about to… we're about to see a big swing. And I'm doing my part to affect that.
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Lezley: Yes.
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Lezley: 100%.
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Sharon (she/her): This work is that. This work is part of.
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Lezley: Yes, yes, and I absolutely agree with you on that, for sure. Absolutely.
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Sharon (she/her): Deep conversation, lady. I love it.
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Sharon (she/her): Thank you.
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Lezley: This is like… this is what makes me happy to be alive.
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Lezley: This is talking about real… real life. This is… this is reality.
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Lezley: To me.
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Sharon (she/her): And what you're talking about is arousal, aliveness.
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Lezley: Yes, it is. Yeah, it's so true. And I love the… I love it calling it that. Like,
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Lezley: I've recently rediscovered play, As being… worship.
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Sharon (she/her): Play is worship of…
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Lezley: Life, universe, wholeness.
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Lezley: And why wouldn't the universe want us to play?
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Sharon (she/her): God's at play. And pleasure is the way the divine speaks through the body. Physical pleasure is the way the divine speaks through the body.
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Lezley: Oh, I love it.
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Lezley: Great. I don't have anything else right now. Is there anything… is there anything really important that you want to share that we missed, that we haven't talked on?
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Sharon (she/her): I mean, it's.
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Lezley: 7 minutes!
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Sharon (she/her): If you want to get any closer to the book.
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Sharon (she/her): This first book is about how to take the taboo, how to transmute the taboo into medicine.
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Lezley: Alright, let's talk about that.
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Sharon (she/her): I mean, certainly that… that connects to my background with the sexual abuse and incest, and…
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Lezley: Yeah.
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Sharon (she/her): And my using… and my experience in the kink community as being so tran… so pivotal and transformative to me.
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Lezley: Personally.
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Lezley: Hank.
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Lezley: I would just like to say that your, your energy and attitude and the feeling around you as you talk about, this is such a…
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Lezley: A, like, a relief and a freshness?
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Sharon (she/her): Hmm. Do you know.
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Lezley: Know what I mean? Like, I'm…
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Lezley: I'm really grateful that… oh, that's an option! You know what I mean?
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Sharon (she/her): Because I don't.
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Lezley: Oh, I can talk about… I can talk about this, and I don't have to be, like…
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Sharon (she/her): guarded.
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Sharon (she/her): You're self-shaming.
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Lezley: Yeah, it happened! Hmm.
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Lezley: And it's true, I wouldn't be who I am.
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Lezley: Today, if that hadn't happened.
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah. You wouldn't be reaching, maybe, for these things, like…
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Lezley: Who knows? Who knows what…
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Sharon (she/her): You know?
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Lezley: And I like the idea of, like, what happened… happened perfectly, because it happened. That's the way it happened, so it happened perfectly.
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Sharon (she/her): I think of it like Westworld, the TV show.
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Lezley: Yes.
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Sharon (she/her): And part of my, again, like, when my guides communicate with me, they communicate a lot through
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Sharon (she/her): storytelling. And even though I'm aware of, like, my… I have quite a impressive spiritual lineage, let's say.
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Sharon (she/her): And even then, I'm also… I'm also simultaneously aware that all of that is bullshit.
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Sharon (she/her): That it's really… it's a Westworld story, that even… that I'm playing out a story, like in a video game. I am. Playing it out a story. It's a super impressive fucking story, and I'm out… I'm all in, especially now with the… when the Pleasure Renaissance, which only dropped in about 8 weeks ago, came through.
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Sharon (she/her): But I'm also simultaneously aware that it's also just a storyline. Like, almost like a randomly generated story that a video game would create for you on a level.
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Lezley: Oh, interesting. Yeah.
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Lezley: Yeah.
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Lezley: And there's an infinite, like… how many are happening on the planet? 7 billion?
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Sharon (she/her): Exactly.
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Sharon (she/her): And the stories just get more deep and interesting, because we have… the next generation has its own… has its own one.
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Lezley: Yeah, and ultimately, they're all connected.
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Sharon (she/her): Yes.
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Lezley: They're all a connected story. Wouldn't that be a great… try and tell that one!
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Sharon (she/her): You know what I've been doing a lot lately? You'll get this, not most people won't, but I was even at a woman's thing, a women in power event.
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Sharon (she/her): And these women were up, and it was all, like, red carpet, which kind of triggers me a little bit with all the super glam and all the big bank up. It's not really kind of, like, my thing. I do like my bling jewelry, but otherwise I'm kind of tear… I take my stuff down.
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Sharon (she/her): And here I was, like, I don't usually have these, like, judgmental thoughts, but here they were, coming up, like, just a few weeks ago, and I'm like, what the fuck's that about? Like, and then I'm like, oh, this is why I'm here! I was given a free ticket.
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Sharon (she/her): And I'm like, I'm here to literally… these… they are literally me projected out. They're… they're… it's me projected out back at me, and I'm literally meant to just, integrate, integrate, integrate. And so as they would get up there, and I would hear the judgment, I'd be like, oh, she's me, she's me, I'm her, the two makeup, it doesn't matter. I'm her, she's me. I was just, like, literally, like, sitting in the audience.
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Sharon (she/her): doing this energetic work. And one of them even mentioned, like, a mother who had been, like, violent and alcoholic, and that I triggered to my paternal grandmother, who was a violent schizophrenic alcoholic.
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Sharon (she/her): And I'm like, oh, I just need to owe my grandmother schizophrenia, I need to own her violence, I own her alcoholism. Then it was like my mom. I own my mom's passivity, I own her codependence, I own her victim mentality. I was just already in the mode of it, and so it was so easy.
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Sharon (she/her): To suddenly integrate?
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Sharon (she/her): Probably the biggest wound of my life that I tell stories around.
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Sharon (she/her): So I've been, like, so, like you're talking about, like, you are me, right? I have a version of you in my reality, and you have a version of me in your reality that feeds whatever the story and belief is that you carry.
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Sharon (she/her): And now I'm starting to play with… so now I'm literally playing, right? I'm playing in the video game now, because I'm aware. I'm the game designer, too. Okay. So now what?
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Sharon (she/her): So now I'm starting to play with people's response to me.
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Sharon (she/her): So if I walk into a restaurant, you know, I'm kind of playing out
495
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Sharon (she/her): how I want the people in the restaurant, and the restaurant itself to respond to me.
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Lezley: Hmm, interesting.
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Sharon (she/her): I'm playing with that, yeah. Marilyn Monroe effect was one thing to do, because now it's me, it was me, how am I projecting out, and just waiting to see what happened. But now I'm like, wait a minute.
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Lezley: That's still sort of like letting the random generator pick for me.
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Sharon (she/her): And so now I'm playing with, what if I just focused on Their response to me.
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Sharon (she/her): And then embodied, you know, still embodying the Marilyn Monroe thing, but no longer worrying about projecting that energy out, just assume that I'm in the… I'm in the embodiment.
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Lezley: Love it.
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Sharon (she/her): And then playing with how they're gonna respond to me.
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Lezley: Hmm.
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Sharon (she/her): So I'm still in the ma- I'm still in the middle of the level, discovering the power.
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Lezley: I like how you… you phrase it. I… I resonate with the judgment part. I am super judgy all the time. I work in retail, and I have so many judgments all the time.
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Lezley: All the time.
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Sharon (she/her): And those are the judgments we have from within. And so that's what I realized. I'm like, that's a projection, something I'm judging from inside me.
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Lezley: Well, the big learning for me, which I've learned again, is that I judge myself for having the judgments.
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Sharon (she/her): Right, that's a… you have to peel that layer first.
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Lezley: Because I'm supposed to, like, waff through the world like St. Leslie, just, you know, getting it all spiritually perfect all the time, like…
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Lezley: So, now I just… I let the judgments come, and I just see them, and sometimes I'll remember them under my breath, and then they're gone. And then I don't judge myself for it.
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Sharon (she/her): I agree.
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Lezley: How am I, like, why did I think that I wasn't gonna have regular human emotions?
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Sharon (she/her): My phrase is even more, more like accepting or even celebrating. I'm like, oh, of course you feel that way.
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Sharon (she/her): That's what I told myself, of course you feel, because she has.
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Lezley: It's actually so much better! Of course you feel that way!
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Sharon (she/her): That's pleasure. Instead of, like, shadow work.
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Lezley: That's a senior! Oh my god, I love that!
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah, that's the pleasure work, and you can pleasure through the integration, too.
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00:59:29.120 --> 00:59:30.799
Lezley: Oh, that's great!
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Sharon (she/her): You can laugh, you can self-pleasure your way through your childhood traumas.
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Lezley: Okay, because you say self-pleasure, and I immediately think masturbation, but…
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Sharon (she/her): I also know that.
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Lezley: Of course, sure, but it's also so much more than that. Self-pleasure is… The whole…
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Sharon (she/her): For me, it's eating. Eating is such a self-pleasure. Yeah. I do so much.
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00:59:54.670 --> 00:59:55.340
Lezley: Yeah.
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Sharon (she/her): With food and meal. Orgasmic meals. Hmm.
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Lezley: Yeah, I have a conflicted, type 2 diabetes relationship with food, so… I also love food.
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Sharon (she/her): Shit.
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Lezley: So…
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Sharon (she/her): Well, you know what? And I was overweight, for much of my life. I'm 54 now, and I was overweight till about maybe
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Sharon (she/her): 42, and and that's when I took the sabbatical, and that's when I started to heal the traumas of that childhood. And, like, people ask me now, like, how do you keep the weight off? And it's like, I healed my traumas. That's what it did.
533
01:00:34.300 --> 01:00:34.880
Lezley: Yeah.
534
01:00:35.110 --> 01:00:37.109
Sharon (she/her): I restored the relationship to my body.
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Lezley: Yeah.
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Lezley: And it's right… I definitely… yeah, I definitely see that.
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01:00:42.380 --> 01:00:45.450
Lezley: as, yeah.
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01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:46.580
Lezley: Yeah.
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Lezley: Yeah, that's good. Great.
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Sharon (she/her): Pleasure.
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Sharon (she/her): That's such a beautiful modality. It's a modality, it's a language, it's a compass.
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Lezley: It is.
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Sharon (she/her): G.
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Lezley: And… so, like, I'm gonna be much more aware of it now. I hope that I can maintain awareness around it, and where I…
545
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Lezley: Refuse to allow it. Or don't see it as being present.
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah.
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Sharon (she/her): I'm developing a little simple app.
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Sharon (she/her): It's called the pleasure pause. You know how we have the sacred pause, where people are like, I get triggered, but instead of reacting, I'm gonna take a breath, and then, like, pick what I'm gonna say? You know, it's like, kind of like that, but again, that's the shadow work side, that's the victim side. So I'm creating this little app that you can set it for how many times you want it to interrupt your day.
549
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Sharon (she/her): And do you purposely interrupt your day to, like, look for beauty?
550
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Sharon (she/her): Or touch your body.
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Lezley: Nice.
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Sharon (she/her): find a way to give yourself a moment of pleasure so that your… your… what I call your pleasure bandwidth, you know, or your root frequency is, like, kind of raised all day long, and you remind yourself.
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Lezley: Yeah, because you have to practice.
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01:02:03.110 --> 01:02:09.569
Lezley: You have to practice. Are you petting a pet? Like, do you have a pet, or are you petting yourself? What's happening?
555
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Sharon (she/her): I don't have a pet.
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Lezley: Okay.
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Sharon (she/her): I do have a great… I do have a great sweater on, and that's… that's on purpose, right? It has beautiful texture.
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Lezley: I do, I…
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Sharon (she/her): I do have a tendency to kind of, like, just hold myself, because I don't have anywhere to put my arms and stuff. And my desk is, you know, my microphone's in the way, and like, so yeah.
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Lezley: I have a pet, and I'm often stroking her, so that's just what it reminded me.
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Sharon (she/her): And I do have, you can see, like, super textural blankets that I love.
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01:02:37.470 --> 01:02:38.679
Lezley: Oh, yeah, nice.
563
01:02:38.680 --> 01:02:40.700
Sharon (she/her): Those are velvety, as well.
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Lezley: Nice.
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah.
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Lezley: Beautiful. Love it.
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01:02:44.090 --> 01:02:48.459
Lezley: Where can people find you and all of your things?
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah, I have a website, my name, SharonMarieScott.com, I'm on… I've got… most of my platforms are called Life Turned On, so YouTube is Life Turned On, TikTok is Life Turned On, IG is Sharon Life Turned On, because that one wasn't available, you know? So yeah, I'm available. LinkedIn, my name, website, my name, I've got a newsletter.
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Sharon (she/her): I'm on Substack, too.
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Lezley: Oh, nice!
571
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Sharon (she/her): I love the… I love the writing of the articles, and I have a subscription even there for people that, subscribe, and I… I… I do, like, guided… I… guided activations.
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Sharon (she/her): Or, like, sensual, guided journeys, or ways to, like, ways to how to, like, how to, like, how to tune in to different sensations that you're experiencing, for example, and then layering the experience, because I really believe that
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Sharon (she/her): our capacity for holding sensation, pleasure in particular, or even better, polarized, you'll get this, more polarized sensations, so if I can hold despair and pleasure in the same, like, the more capacity I have to hold sensation.
574
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Sharon (she/her): the more capacity I have to hold wealth, and success, and prosperity, and love.
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Sharon (she/her): I really believe that that's… I really believe they're linked.
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Lezley: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
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01:04:05.970 --> 01:04:07.260
Sharon (she/her): How much can you find out?
578
01:04:07.260 --> 01:04:08.180
Lezley: together.
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Sharon (she/her): My slogans. How much can you allow? How much love, pleasure?
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Lezley: allow, yeah.
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Sharon (she/her): you know.
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01:04:13.610 --> 01:04:14.320
Lezley: Hmm.
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Lezley: Interesting, love that.
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Sharon (she/her): Because it's not about reaching out, just like we talked about, right? It's about opening…
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01:04:21.110 --> 01:04:27.560
Sharon (she/her): To let… or, like, pulling the veil away so that you actually are getting what's right there, waiting for you.
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Lezley: being.
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01:04:30.720 --> 01:04:34.420
Lezley: Yeah, love that. You've given me a lot to think about.
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01:04:34.880 --> 01:04:37.089
Lezley: Where can I pick up your book?
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Sharon (she/her): It's everywhere. It's a traditionally published book, so anywhere books are sold, and libraries as well, as far as I understand it.
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Lezley: Is there an audio?
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Sharon (she/her): Yes, it's not out yet, I'm waiting just weeks, just, like, we're, like, maybe 2 weeks out of the audio being done, but I.
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Lezley: I'm gonna wait for the audio, then.
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Sharon (she/her): I loved that process. Oh, God, I loved your work.
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Lezley: Did you narrate it yourself?
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Sharon (she/her): I did, I loved it so much. Amazing. Yeah. I know my voice has codes, and I loved every bit of the process of recording. Every stage of it. Loved it. Want to do more.
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Lezley: Oh, awesome! Awesome.
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01:05:14.530 --> 01:05:21.710
Lezley: Yeah, I heard, well, your voice is the expression of your soul in the world as flesh.
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01:05:22.850 --> 01:05:23.890
Sharon (she/her): Wow.
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01:05:23.890 --> 01:05:24.670
Lezley: Yeah.
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01:05:24.850 --> 01:05:26.119
Sharon (she/her): It's a nice one, too.
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01:05:26.890 --> 01:05:28.180
Lezley: So, I'll get to…
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01:05:28.180 --> 01:05:28.660
Sharon (she/her): ticket.
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01:05:28.660 --> 01:05:31.210
Lezley: Listen to your soul in my earbuds.
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01:05:31.430 --> 01:05:35.140
Sharon (she/her): That's right. Fuck, that's a really strong thing to say, I love it.
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01:05:35.770 --> 01:05:38.380
Sharon (she/her): Welcome to your soul in my earbuds.
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Lezley: Well, this was wonderful. Thank you for reaching out, and for… for doing this with me.
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah, thanks for being a yes.
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01:05:51.930 --> 01:05:52.810
Lezley: Oh, yeah.
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01:05:53.030 --> 01:06:00.340
Lezley: No, I was… I was down. So interested in where… What you had, to share.
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Lezley: And I love this conversation. It's… it is absolutely part of this transition.
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01:06:09.470 --> 01:06:10.980
Lezley: Yeah. Love it. Thank you.
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Sharon (she/her): Let's… Unlock people.
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01:06:16.790 --> 01:06:17.700
Lezley: Yeah.
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01:06:19.780 --> 01:06:20.590
Lezley: Yeah.
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01:06:21.370 --> 01:06:23.699
Lezley: All right. Well, thank you.
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Lezley: I don't know how to end it.
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah.
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01:06:28.090 --> 01:06:28.880
Sharon (she/her): happens now?
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Lezley: What happens now, right?
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Lezley: I don't know.
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Sharon (she/her): Do we… because we didn't… you didn't record anything, so…
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01:06:37.010 --> 01:06:39.420
Lezley: No, no, it's been recording since the beginning.
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Sharon (she/her): That's hilarious.
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Lezley: I thought this was, like, the pre… I thought this was, like, the pre-conversation before… For real?
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01:06:45.860 --> 01:06:47.739
Sharon (she/her): We were gonna start recording.
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01:06:48.920 --> 01:06:53.059
Sharon (she/her): This is even better, actually. I'm so glad this happened.
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01:06:53.060 --> 01:06:57.340
Lezley: Are you kidding? All of that was fucking gold, like, just…
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01:06:57.580 --> 01:07:02.240
Lezley: Sparkling, luminescent gold! Where the fuck would we go from here?
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Sharon (she/her): Well, he didn't ask me to click on anything, so I didn't have the usual, like, neural, you know, network of, I'm clicking on OK.
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Lezley: Oh, it didn't ask you to say okay when you, when you came on?
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Sharon (she/her): That's why I was, like, that's why I was like, oh, she wants to just have a conversation before we start recording.
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01:07:19.100 --> 01:07:22.059
Lezley: No, oh my god, that would… no. Sorry!
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01:07:22.450 --> 01:07:25.690
Lezley: By the way, we're recording this whole time!
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01:07:26.220 --> 01:07:31.819
Lezley: Oh my god, I checked at one point, too, I'm like, yeah, we are. I'm non-stop.
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Sharon (she/her): Even better. This is perfect. I love it.
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01:07:34.580 --> 01:07:39.810
Lezley: I got a little heart attack for a second, are we gonna start recording? What!
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Sharon (she/her): Wow. Okay. The love. I love that it gets to be this easy, and this full of pleasure, and this full of depth and nuance. I love… I really appreciate your yes. I really appreciate this conversation. It's so much more, right?
638
01:07:58.890 --> 01:08:06.660
Sharon (she/her): then… It's so much more than people expect.
639
01:08:07.190 --> 01:08:08.919
Sharon (she/her): And that's the shakeup.
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01:08:11.990 --> 01:08:17.719
Sharon (she/her): To even just say the word pleasure, you know, is so triggering or elevating to people in certain… in different ways.
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01:08:17.949 --> 01:08:20.439
Lezley: So true. So true.
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01:08:20.809 --> 01:08:22.379
Lezley: Yeah.
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01:08:23.029 --> 01:08:24.659
Lezley: It's such a…
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01:08:25.539 --> 01:08:34.859
Lezley: It's such a polarizing word, and permission, and allowed, and, you know, just all of the things, and, like, somehow…
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Sharon (she/her): Nice.
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01:08:35.819 --> 01:08:36.299
Lezley: Sorry?
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01:08:36.300 --> 01:08:38.079
Sharon (she/her): That's the cultural narrative that.
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01:08:38.080 --> 01:08:38.420
Lezley: Yeah.
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01:08:38.640 --> 01:08:39.220
Sharon (she/her): I'm hoping.
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Lezley: Yeah, yeah. Oh my god, crack that one open. Can you imagine a world where people made decisions based on joy and pleasure? Holy fuck, what?
651
01:08:51.200 --> 01:08:57.840
Lezley: Just the energy of that… the… just… Life-changing, like…
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01:08:57.840 --> 01:09:03.470
Sharon (she/her): One of the pillars in the Pleasure Renaissance vision document is regenerative community.
653
01:09:03.660 --> 01:09:08.430
Sharon (she/her): Okay, before you go on, I need to ask about this. The…
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01:09:08.430 --> 01:09:21.000
Lezley: Pleasure Renaissance, you said that that dropped in, like, 8 weeks ago or something. What do you mean? What do you mean, Pleasure Renaissance? What is it? What's happening? I should have asked that, like, half an hour ago, but…
655
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah, and I'm still finding the language for this, so I grew up in… I'm, you know, sometimes I feel like just a girl who grew up in a really poor area of LA, you know? So, like…
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Sharon (she/her): I don't know everything I need to know yet about how to execute this document, this vision document, but I woke up, it was like a fucking Jerry Maguire moment, right? So I woke up and, like, wrote this manifesto, essentially.
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Sharon (she/her): But it does have 5 pillars. Teaching pleasure literacy, which is both about what we've been talking about mostly all along, which is, like, pleasure as the lens through which we look at, oh, this is how we're supposed to live life, this is the marker by which we live. But pleasure literacy is also about, like, literally the body as the console. Like, learning
658
01:09:58.870 --> 01:10:09.060
Sharon (she/her): My body is speaking to me all the time. Whenever a word hits my body, my body has a response to that. And people aren't even aware that that's true, let alone having
659
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Sharon (she/her): Cracked the code of their own.
660
01:10:11.380 --> 01:10:13.110
Sharon (she/her): body as Oracle.
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Sharon (she/her): So pleasure literacy is twofold. The larger vision of what it is at all, and then pleasure literacy as the body as oracle, and learning the vernacular of your own response. The second pillar is erotic alchemy, and that has, you know, that's a sexier conversation. Forbidden Alchemy is about that. Some of Flesh and Flame that's coming out in February is about that.
662
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Sharon (she/her): And that's a… but it… and it's sex magic, you know, so it's like, it's the more seductive and more, you know, interesting
663
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Sharon (she/her): And marketable parts of the, of the movement.
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Sharon (she/her): Right? And then.
665
01:10:43.540 --> 01:10:44.200
Lezley: in that part.
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Sharon (she/her): Yeah, and I've got some good fucking secrets, by the way, yeah, I've got good stuff to share. And then, sensational liveness. You know, like, how to have an orgasmic meal.
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Sharon (she/her): There's, again, like, if you're tuning in to your… the vernacular of your body, you can also exploit that in the best ways, and, like, I don't understand why people aren't eating more food with their fingers, you know?
668
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Lezley: Yeah, you're right.
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Sharon (she/her): And then, so since…
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Lezley: I love that you… sorry, go ahead.
671
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Lezley: I love that you use sensational.
672
01:11:14.840 --> 01:11:25.310
Lezley: in, like, literally pointing to senses and sensational. Like, it just kind of clicked, oh yeah, that's where that word comes from! Yeah. It's about…
673
01:11:25.490 --> 01:11:29.409
Lezley: The aliveness of the senses of your body, it's sensational.
674
01:11:29.580 --> 01:11:30.320
Sharon (she/her): Yes.
675
01:11:30.520 --> 01:11:31.290
Sharon (she/her): How…
676
01:11:31.290 --> 01:11:31.939
Lezley: Me and Word.
677
01:11:31.940 --> 01:11:33.389
Sharon (she/her): How potent. How potent, yeah.
678
01:11:33.390 --> 01:11:34.150
Lezley: Yeah.
679
01:11:34.150 --> 01:11:34.720
Sharon (she/her): Yeah.
680
01:11:34.720 --> 01:11:54.579
Sharon (she/her): And then, the fourth one is regenerative community, and which includes wealth, like, you'll create… the result is regenerative wealth, but regenerative community, like, I have a feeling that we're moving back into kind of, like, more of these villages. I think we're gonna be moving more into, like, this village. But it doesn't mean, like, people are against each other. In fact, I think it means
681
01:11:54.580 --> 01:11:57.889
Sharon (she/her): completely different. It's gonna be more communal and collaborative, so, like.
682
01:11:57.980 --> 01:12:16.469
Sharon (she/her): one village could be sustainable, and grow everything they want, and not need to have any interaction with people around them. But I believe we're going to be moving into one where we purposely don't… we purposely not are sustainable, so that we regeneratively
683
01:12:16.500 --> 01:12:27.369
Sharon (she/her): Require ourselves to be in community, and we… we synergistically design community, so that we…
684
01:12:28.100 --> 01:12:36.859
Sharon (she/her): I hesitate to say lean on each other, because that kind of goes more toward that victim mentality, but we look to commune with each other on purpose.
685
01:12:37.280 --> 01:12:41.499
Sharon (she/her): And that our participation creates a regenerative
686
01:12:41.640 --> 01:12:58.240
Sharon (she/her): energy between those communities, and that will also translate to wealth. And wealth can mean many things, right? I don't just mean financial wealth. Vitality is another kind of wealth. So these, these things. And then… and then the last one, the fifth pillar, is about what I call myth-making.
687
01:12:58.410 --> 01:13:08.059
Lezley: And it's a sexy word for, like, what are we leaving behind? What's the legacy? And I want to bring together the industries that I know about, comic books, video games, film, fiction.
688
01:13:08.060 --> 01:13:22.500
Sharon (she/her): you know, board games. I have a great idea for a board game called You Are the Game, which is about the consciousness and the awakening journey, and so it teaches… it's gonna teach children, like, what that even means, and how we work regeneratively or collaboratively together.
689
01:13:22.500 --> 01:13:41.189
Sharon (she/her): to, you know, we have to kind of ascend, collaboratively ascend in the game before the timeline ends, and then it resets itself, you know? So… so myth-making is about what are we leaving behind? What does pleasure-centered programming look like? What is teaching our young people to touch their bodies and knowing their erotic body? What does that look like?
690
01:13:41.190 --> 01:13:53.679
Sharon (she/her): You know, like, I'm gonna use the wrong language, but, like, I used to call it geisha school, because I didn't have any better language for it at the time. It's super wrong. But you get it, it's like, how… like, those women learn about their own sexuality.
691
01:13:53.680 --> 01:14:10.699
Sharon (she/her): Right? Or, like, I was just… I just watched Dangerous Beauty, which I'd never seen. It was about an Italian courtesan who learned that as well, and, like, it's a beautiful film that's incredibly empowering, and the masculine steps up at the end in an incredible way that I never saw coming. I can't believe I'd never seen this movie before.
692
01:14:10.990 --> 01:14:18.710
Sharon (she/her): So, myth-making, you know, again, like, pleasure-centered programming, and like, what are we teaching the generations that come behind us?
693
01:14:18.910 --> 01:14:27.289
Sharon (she/her): So those are the pillars. So that's the movement, and then the global initiatives of female genital mutilation and child marriage.
694
01:14:27.970 --> 01:14:33.529
Lezley: Wow. So again, I'm gonna need resources for all of this. I don't know what I don't know, even.
695
01:14:33.530 --> 01:14:36.530
Sharon (she/her): But I am starting… I am starting these conversations with…
696
01:14:36.890 --> 01:14:39.520
Sharon (she/her): People who do know better than me, and…
697
01:14:39.520 --> 01:14:48.349
Lezley: And that… those two now, like, I kind of understood how they hit before, but now they are such,
698
01:14:49.300 --> 01:14:55.390
Lezley: vulnerable… change needing… areas.
699
01:14:55.390 --> 01:14:56.920
Sharon (she/her): Imagine… imagine if…
700
01:14:57.220 --> 01:15:06.659
Sharon (she/her): male genital mutilation was a thing. Imagine if it was a practice in culture to actually castrate… not even castrate, but, like, fully remove the penis.
701
01:15:07.200 --> 01:15:07.530
Lezley: Yeah.
702
01:15:07.530 --> 01:15:09.340
Sharon (she/her): boy's body. Like, imagine…
703
01:15:09.700 --> 01:15:10.600
Lezley: Imagine.
704
01:15:10.600 --> 01:15:11.209
Sharon (she/her): Being a thing.
705
01:15:11.210 --> 01:15:12.300
Lezley: Imagine.
706
01:15:12.300 --> 01:15:14.050
Sharon (she/her): Yeah. Pleasure as a birthright.
707
01:15:14.470 --> 01:15:15.080
Lezley: Right.
708
01:15:15.080 --> 01:15:15.620
Sharon (she/her): Sure.
709
01:15:15.620 --> 01:15:24.349
Lezley: 100%. And also, myth-making. I just read Goethe Lerner's The Creation of Patriarchy.
710
01:15:24.680 --> 01:15:31.109
Lezley: And… you know, there's points that come through where you're like, oh, I fucking get it, I get it.
711
01:15:31.350 --> 01:15:38.400
Lezley: Women have not participated in myth-making creation in 5,000 years.
712
01:15:38.400 --> 01:15:54.029
Lezley: This is part of the extinction burst, is because women, for the first time in 5,000 years, are standing up and speaking publicly about what it means to be alive, what's valuable, why we're here. We're starting to participate in the myth-making.
713
01:15:54.030 --> 01:16:05.180
Lezley: And it's completely crumbling all of this horseshit patriarchy garbage that's based in… Ugh…
714
01:16:05.180 --> 01:16:06.689
Sharon (she/her): Not regenerative.
715
01:16:06.690 --> 01:16:07.750
Lezley: Not regenerative!
716
01:16:07.750 --> 01:16:11.240
Sharon (she/her): It's natural, it is natural for our… for the feminine.
717
01:16:11.240 --> 01:16:34.690
Sharon (she/her): to be bringing a sense of collaboration. In fact, in video games, it's a well-known… I mean, there are obviously exceptions, but it's well known that mostly, if you are femme-bodied, you like to play cooperative games instead of competitive games. You don't play a lot of people, you know, player versus player.
718
01:16:34.820 --> 01:16:42.130
Sharon (she/her): You play more collectively, collaboratively, Driven games that everybody wins or everybody loses together.
719
01:16:42.510 --> 01:16:42.840
Lezley: Right.
720
01:16:42.960 --> 01:16:59.210
Sharon (she/her): So, like, that's… and again, like, there are exceptions, of course, and now, especially now with, with gender fluidity, you know, that will also change. But part of the third book, there are six books in this codex that I'm writing, the third book introduces a brand new set of archetypes.
721
01:16:59.210 --> 01:17:06.689
Sharon (she/her): that we are… that I… rather than, like, the binary split of masculine and feminine archetypes, because really, they often say the same thing.
722
01:17:06.690 --> 01:17:21.549
Sharon (she/her): But they're just from another gender. So I've been creating a new set of gender… of non-gendered archetypes that also have no light and dark aspect, because there's no value judgment, right? Out of victim mentality. So we are either in distortion or out of coherence.
723
01:17:21.560 --> 01:17:27.800
Sharon (she/her): with the archetype, and then I have, like, embodied practices to bring you back into communities with the archetypes.
724
01:17:28.130 --> 01:17:29.679
Lezley: I love gender neutral.
725
01:17:30.530 --> 01:17:35.540
Lezley: gender neutral over… over… I just… I'm… would prefer it.
726
01:17:36.560 --> 01:17:37.430
Lezley: Gender neutral.
727
01:17:37.430 --> 01:17:41.089
Sharon (she/her): It's going there. It's going to go there. That's why we need new archetypes, too.
728
01:17:41.230 --> 01:17:47.930
Sharon (she/her): And they need to be re-eroticized, so all of these archetypes are also eroticized. Like, even our maiden mother crone.
729
01:17:48.170 --> 01:18:00.729
Sharon (she/her): That whole bullshit of, like, the maiden being, like, chaste, fucking the maiden is, like, one of the juiciest ones, because she's like, ugh, everything is new, I want to put it in my mouth and taste it.
730
01:18:00.730 --> 01:18:01.779
Lezley: Experience it!
731
01:18:01.970 --> 01:18:03.820
Sharon (she/her): Right? And then the chrome, too.
732
01:18:03.820 --> 01:18:04.140
Lezley: Great.
733
01:18:04.140 --> 01:18:04.990
Sharon (she/her): grown.
734
01:18:05.010 --> 01:18:24.559
Sharon (she/her): eroticized? I mean, like, that's me. I'm a crone. I'm in 50s, right? So, like, fucking follow me. I have some great experience to share with you. Like, I'm not a dried-up, old, withered, you know, witch or something, like, like, like, these have been depicted, like… So I wrote an article, like, about a year ago that re-eroticized
735
01:18:24.570 --> 01:18:30.220
Sharon (she/her): These, you know, just even those three archetypes, and so that people could feel in their bodies the difference.
736
01:18:30.400 --> 01:18:31.710
Sharon (she/her): And how it resonates.
737
01:18:32.700 --> 01:18:40.570
Lezley: I've… I've always loved the crone, and the witch, and the hag. I love…
738
01:18:40.570 --> 01:18:56.849
Lezley: I love that. I've always… it's just delicious. Even the ugly ones, and the dark, sexy ones, I've always, always, always loved that. And man, you get a real polarizing reaction to that from a lot of women.
739
01:18:56.880 --> 01:19:06.480
Lezley: Where it's just, like, absolutely the worst thing you could be is, like, a hag, or a crone. And I'm like, no, swamp witch, bring it!
740
01:19:07.490 --> 01:19:16.970
Lezley: I… I love… all of that. I've been reconnecting to my Celtic roots, and they don't have 3…
741
01:19:17.260 --> 01:19:19.239
Lezley: Maidens, they only have 2.
742
01:19:19.570 --> 01:19:22.210
Lezley: And there's Breed and the Kalyach.
743
01:19:22.500 --> 01:19:27.330
Lezley: Which… I love… Yeah.
744
01:19:27.670 --> 01:19:28.930
Lezley: I love that.
745
01:19:28.930 --> 01:19:32.009
Sharon (she/her): And Forbidden Alchemy, the book that came out, like, 3 weeks ago.
746
01:19:32.060 --> 01:19:48.990
Sharon (she/her): that one is all about the dark masculine and the dark feminine. Both in scene, like, somebody will take on the role of dark masculine or dark feminine within the context of, like, a kink scene or something else, but also from within, right? The dark feminine is the wild.
747
01:19:49.190 --> 01:19:56.890
Sharon (she/her): It's the movement, it's the chaos, it's… and on its own, if it's by itself with no containment, it's destructive.
748
01:19:57.430 --> 01:20:04.319
Sharon (she/her): That there's a difference between, like, destruction, but, like, intentional annihilation, so that the truth
749
01:20:04.760 --> 01:20:12.070
Sharon (she/her): Comes out afterward. Or, like, the burning of the woods every once in a while, so that the new growth can make its way through.
750
01:20:12.070 --> 01:20:16.670
Lezley: And then there's the dark masculine, who's the container holder, and the director.
751
01:20:16.670 --> 01:20:33.900
Sharon (she/her): of energy, and he's like, so if he's containing with no dark feminine, nothing happens. If she's wild and chaos with no containment, everything is destroyed. But when you put them together, both from within, right, or in an actual scene that you're playing out.
752
01:20:33.950 --> 01:20:42.230
Sharon (she/her): something magical happens. Something… they both go beyond. You know, it's a synergistic… you know, we talk about trinities and stuff, like, this is…
753
01:20:42.410 --> 01:20:44.730
Sharon (she/her): This is part of the Holy Trinity for me.
754
01:20:44.830 --> 01:20:49.930
Sharon (she/her): Is when… from within, and in… in rolling, in role-playing.
755
01:20:50.110 --> 01:20:53.810
Sharon (she/her): Without. Something magical happens. Healing happens.
756
01:20:54.200 --> 01:21:04.470
Lezley: Yeah, I think conversations around the dark are necessary, because I think people are… don't know what that is, and they're scared, and…
757
01:21:04.470 --> 01:21:10.680
Sharon (she/her): And that's why I'm… and eventually, that's why I'm removing the language of light and dark, because again, that implies a value judgment.
758
01:21:11.210 --> 01:21:24.439
Lezley: Well, I think it's important, though, like, just in terms of our day and night, we have a light and we have a dark. It's just… there is no value judgment about which is better or worse, or one is right and one is wrong.
759
01:21:24.550 --> 01:21:35.729
Lezley: In Celtic, cosmology, every day begins at sunset, so it begins… everything begins in the dark. Everything begins in the void.
760
01:21:35.730 --> 01:21:36.370
Sharon (she/her): Yeah.
761
01:21:36.370 --> 01:21:44.460
Lezley: And it's a… it's a beautiful, vital, creative time of…
762
01:21:44.460 --> 01:21:44.970
Sharon (she/her): portal.
763
01:21:44.970 --> 01:21:46.090
Lezley: ballo…
764
01:21:46.350 --> 01:21:46.870
Sharon (she/her): Yeah.
765
01:21:47.070 --> 01:21:49.110
Lezley: you know, retreat, and…
766
01:21:49.110 --> 01:21:51.020
Sharon (she/her): Voidwalker is one of the archetypes.
767
01:21:51.020 --> 01:21:54.000
Lezley: The Voidwalker. Fuckin' yeah!
768
01:21:54.000 --> 01:22:06.129
Sharon (she/her): So you can… and you can be in distortion, even in the void, right? You can avoid… you can just be, like, putting your head under the pillow and not doing anything. So there can be… that's what I mean by, as opposed to light and dark, there's distorted or coherent.
769
01:22:06.130 --> 01:22:10.550
Lezley: I like, yeah, distorted or resonant. Discordant or resonant.
770
01:22:10.550 --> 01:22:12.130
Sharon (she/her): Discord as well, yeah.
771
01:22:12.130 --> 01:22:13.320
Lezley: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
772
01:22:13.620 --> 01:22:17.809
Lezley: Yeah, I like that. Well, that's interesting. I love all the mythology that you're…
773
01:22:18.140 --> 01:22:20.980
Lezley: You're cooking up in the cauldron.
774
01:22:20.980 --> 01:22:32.770
Sharon (she/her): I love that you picked up on that. Like, there's a lot of mythos to the way that I… I think it comes from my history. Like, my comic book that I used to write many years ago, More Than Mortal, was all about Celtic mythology, and it was about a…
775
01:22:33.110 --> 01:22:33.439
Lezley: Oh my god.
776
01:22:33.670 --> 01:22:36.509
Lezley: Really? A female, yeah, a female heroine who…
777
01:22:36.510 --> 01:22:47.970
Sharon (she/her): Who realized she was raised in, like, a convent or, you know, some sort of religious monastery, but realized that she is, you know, there's this big evil that's kind of
778
01:22:47.970 --> 01:23:03.009
Sharon (she/her): going to be restored to the land, and that… and the land itself calls out to the hero that's gonna be ready to face that evil, and it's her, and so she's, like, she's inheriting a mantle of an ancient hero.
779
01:23:03.010 --> 01:23:07.950
Lezley: Nice. Brigid, the Protector, right? Yeah. Brigid, the Protector is the original hero.
780
01:23:07.950 --> 01:23:09.049
Sharon (she/her): Yeah, and then Deirdre.
781
01:23:09.580 --> 01:23:14.430
Sharon (she/her): Yeah, so, like, so, like, it does, my mythic storytelling does come from, like.
782
01:23:14.710 --> 01:23:23.959
Sharon (she/her): you know, I can't… not to pretend… I don't pretend to know too deeply all these things, but I sure love the archetypal storytelling, and Joseph Campbell, and…
783
01:23:24.760 --> 01:23:25.520
Sharon (she/her): Hi.
784
01:23:25.520 --> 01:23:29.279
Lezley: Joseph Campbell. Problematic Joseph Campbell.
785
01:23:31.450 --> 01:23:34.140
Lezley: I love Joseph Campbell.
786
01:23:34.140 --> 01:23:36.170
Sharon (she/her): goodness, he started these conversations, I think.
787
01:23:36.170 --> 01:23:43.920
Lezley: Well, he did, he really did, but he also, as did his whole generation, really got women wrong. Like…
788
01:23:44.330 --> 01:23:55.200
Lezley: fundamentally misunderstood Like, we were a prop and a pedestal in his stories, like, didn't feature at all.
789
01:23:55.200 --> 01:24:00.120
Sharon (she/her): We're seeing it, just like you talked about, we're seeing it in the, what's it called, the Bestel, or Bechdel test?
790
01:24:00.120 --> 01:24:02.020
Lezley: Oh, the Bechbell test, yeah!
791
01:24:02.020 --> 01:24:02.629
Sharon (she/her): Okay, thank you.
792
01:24:02.630 --> 01:24:04.869
Lezley: Yeah, I love that.
793
01:24:04.870 --> 01:24:14.470
Sharon (she/her): I just was reading a manuscript from a friend, who I was like, you need to go look up what this means. And then we'll talk.
794
01:24:14.470 --> 01:24:28.090
Lezley: Yeah, nice! I love that. That's great. Yeah, yeah, and I love how the younger generation, and the fact that social media is bringing all these conversations, so people can observe. This is what I love about it, people can observe.
795
01:24:28.150 --> 01:24:43.320
Lezley: and look and read and hear and listen and learn in anonymity. They can be exposed to all of these conversations and arguments and… and… without having to be in…
796
01:24:44.290 --> 01:24:45.320
Lezley: peril, or…
797
01:24:45.320 --> 01:24:46.840
Sharon (she/her): It's like trying on garments.
798
01:24:46.840 --> 01:24:48.330
Lezley: Yes, exactly!
799
01:24:48.330 --> 01:24:49.400
Sharon (she/her): How does this feel?
800
01:24:49.400 --> 01:24:55.580
Lezley: Exactly, exactly. It's just… It's a very exciting and chaotic time.
801
01:24:58.080 --> 01:25:04.170
Sharon (she/her): And it's exciting because… and when you're… when you've got your camera pulled back wide enough, like you and I do, like…
802
01:25:04.810 --> 01:25:07.600
Sharon (she/her): It's exciting because it's chaotic, too, because you know.
803
01:25:07.600 --> 01:25:08.230
Lezley: Yeah.
804
01:25:08.570 --> 01:25:11.779
Sharon (she/her): There's something really amazing emerging from that chaos.
805
01:25:12.070 --> 01:25:21.139
Lezley: And I want to make this point, like, you've called yourself a mystic, I call myself a mystic. So, your view and my view.
806
01:25:21.370 --> 01:25:23.329
Lezley: Are very pulled back.
807
01:25:23.560 --> 01:25:25.490
Lezley: Like, and we see…
808
01:25:25.600 --> 01:25:39.310
Lezley: a larger history and a larger picture, there are people in the world that are just right in here, minute, like, and that's what they do. They look right down. Do you know what I mean?
809
01:25:39.310 --> 01:25:39.980
Sharon (she/her): to do.
810
01:25:40.270 --> 01:25:50.549
Sharon (she/her): And the closer… the further you are you in, the more in survival mode you're gonna be, because you… and you… because you can't see the big picture. So I talk about, like, pulling apertures back.
811
01:25:51.710 --> 01:26:07.639
Lezley: Yeah, I don't know that I agree with that. I just think everyone has their own… like, we all have our own view, do you know what I mean? And we're really good at whatever scale we're on. There's so many different scales to be on.
812
01:26:07.640 --> 01:26:08.140
Sharon (she/her): Yes.
813
01:26:08.140 --> 01:26:17.280
Lezley: It's… is… and I mean, some people are just like, what are you talking about? But then they can be really here in the nitty-gritty and…
814
01:26:17.500 --> 01:26:19.589
Lezley: You know, fix my toilet.
815
01:26:19.750 --> 01:26:25.350
Lezley: I don't… I don't… and I don't mean that in a… In a condescending way, like…
816
01:26:26.050 --> 01:26:30.880
Lezley: Not everyone can live in the mystic and still maintain
817
01:26:31.840 --> 01:26:39.060
Lezley: a life, or even want to be there. Like, my niece is just exhausted by conversation with me.
818
01:26:39.200 --> 01:26:44.700
Sharon (she/her): Right. Because I'm like, let's go here, and she's like, oh my god, I just want to go camping.
819
01:26:44.810 --> 01:26:47.660
Lezley: And I'm like, alright, cool, alright.
820
01:26:47.900 --> 01:27:00.310
Sharon (she/her): What you're describing is going back to what I talked about in terms of, like, how much sensation can you hold, how much polarized sensation, thought, emotion, right? So that's what we're talking about. Like, I think that the journey
821
01:27:00.480 --> 01:27:04.999
Sharon (she/her): for you and I, on a more conscious way, is about
822
01:27:05.650 --> 01:27:10.649
Sharon (she/her): Being the mystic, and fixing it, and having the toilet… needing the toilet fixed, or fixing it ourselves.
823
01:27:10.650 --> 01:27:11.100
Lezley: Yeah.
824
01:27:11.100 --> 01:27:17.689
Sharon (she/her): That is, ultimately, that's the polar… that's the polarized part of it. That's the beauty of the masterpiece of art that we're living in.
825
01:27:19.380 --> 01:27:20.380
Lezley: Okay, yeah.
826
01:27:20.490 --> 01:27:27.710
Lezley: I don't have any other, interests. This is my most fun, fascinating thing, is to…
827
01:27:28.470 --> 01:27:32.779
Lezley: Spend every moment considering what this means in the world.
828
01:27:33.050 --> 01:27:33.760
Sharon (she/her): Hmm…
829
01:27:33.760 --> 01:27:44.360
Lezley: You know, that's, like, that's my favorite quote. What does this mean? What's happening? What is this? How big is this? Who's communicating? What's the communication? What is this saying? What, like…
830
01:27:44.360 --> 01:27:45.860
Sharon (she/her): It's an art installation.
831
01:27:45.860 --> 01:27:50.990
Lezley: It's… it's an art installation. It is. I just love it.
832
01:27:52.240 --> 01:27:54.689
Sharon (she/her): That's what… that's the video game aspect to me.
833
01:27:55.780 --> 01:27:57.849
Sharon (she/her): I'm… now I'm playing with the controls.
834
01:27:58.140 --> 01:27:59.510
Sharon (she/her): Learning the console.
835
01:27:59.650 --> 01:28:00.420
Lezley: Yeah.
836
01:28:00.740 --> 01:28:07.670
Lezley: I balance that with allowing the… Chaos to serve up something.
837
01:28:08.270 --> 01:28:09.350
Lezley: Unexpected.
838
01:28:11.150 --> 01:28:22.769
Lezley: Like, I've been given very clear guidance, stop trying to plan, Leslie, because I love planning, and… and creation's just like, stop it. Do what's next.
839
01:28:23.320 --> 01:28:30.209
Lezley: then stand there and look around and feel, and then you'll know what's next, and I'm like, alright, fine.
840
01:28:30.210 --> 01:28:30.560
Sharon (she/her): Yep.
841
01:28:31.800 --> 01:28:33.410
Sharon (she/her): I will try.
842
01:28:35.560 --> 01:28:41.769
Sharon (she/her): And I've, I've… I've been doing that, I've been in flow, and now I'm getting the hit
843
01:28:41.830 --> 01:29:00.040
Sharon (she/her): that in order to get ahead of the console now, so, like, again, like, deciding how the world responds to me, rather than what's… what am I projecting out, now I'm starting to get the hit that I actually do need to pick a little more detail. I'm… I'm being too, like, just give me whatever you want, but I actually… it needs.
844
01:29:00.040 --> 01:29:00.530
Lezley: Temple.
845
01:29:00.530 --> 01:29:01.160
Sharon (she/her): No.
846
01:29:01.160 --> 01:29:01.780
Lezley: Okay.
847
01:29:01.780 --> 01:29:02.510
Sharon (she/her): For me.
848
01:29:02.670 --> 01:29:03.310
Lezley: Yeah.
849
01:29:03.310 --> 01:29:11.790
Sharon (she/her): as long as I'm not coming from the… for me, I'm not coming from the temple of, like, it needs to look exactly like this, I want this guy who needs to look like this, but it's more like.
850
01:29:12.050 --> 01:29:25.500
Sharon (she/her): what is the state that I'm trying to achieve? Because we're always reaching for an emotional state by wanting anything, even in those desires that you're talking about. What we're reaching for is a level of, like, euphoria or something.
851
01:29:26.200 --> 01:29:26.960
Sharon (she/her): And…
852
01:29:27.330 --> 01:29:40.509
Sharon (she/her): So I'm realizing that as long as I stick to how I want to feel, how much pleasure do I want to feel out of life from that thing, that seems to be, like, the little bit of tent poles that I'm talking about. Like, we didn't talk about this yet, but
853
01:29:40.510 --> 01:29:50.879
Sharon (she/her): everybody talks about, like, love and unconditional love as being, like, the highest form of emotion or something that you can feel. And, you know, I understand the romanticism of that notion.
854
01:29:50.880 --> 01:30:01.199
Sharon (she/her): But I don't know if you've done any… read any David R. Hawkins' work, but he did… he created what's called the Map of Consciousness, and he… he's also the one that came up with muscle testing, and so he's tested…
855
01:30:01.210 --> 01:30:14.929
Sharon (she/her): emotions, that they have, like, let's say a frequency scale. He's also tested things like books and people and history, and, like, he actually has… it's really fascinating to dig into. But guess where love sits on the spectrum of the map of consciousness?
856
01:30:15.110 --> 01:30:19.239
Sharon (she/her): Right in the middle. It's 0 to 1,000, and love is right in the middle.
857
01:30:19.600 --> 01:30:21.080
Sharon (she/her): And guess what's above love?
858
01:30:21.490 --> 01:30:24.979
Sharon (she/her): Joy, bliss, ecstasy, enlightenment.
859
01:30:25.570 --> 01:30:33.969
Sharon (she/her): So, even, even again, and we talked about all the ways that pleasure is a technology and all these things, like, pleasure is also a more potent carrier way for your manifestations.
860
01:30:34.110 --> 01:30:47.259
Sharon (she/her): So if you're in pleasure, this is, like, this is the essence of sex magic. If you're in pleasure, and climax is one form of high-frequency pleasure, you know, while you're daydreaming about what you want, or more importantly, how you want to feel.
861
01:30:47.360 --> 01:30:48.920
Lezley: About that thing that you want.
862
01:30:48.920 --> 01:30:58.650
Sharon (she/her): Like, as if you already have it. How will it make you feel when you have it? While you're climaxing, it will bring that manifestation into you faster, and with more precision.
863
01:30:58.960 --> 01:31:03.000
Sharon (she/her): Like, so, again, pleasure. It's higher, higher frequency than love.
864
01:31:03.880 --> 01:31:04.590
Lezley: Yeah.
865
01:31:05.330 --> 01:31:06.480
Lezley: Interesting.
866
01:31:07.350 --> 01:31:08.879
Lezley: Yeah, okay.
867
01:31:10.410 --> 01:31:12.100
Lezley: I don't see them as different.
868
01:31:13.040 --> 01:31:16.869
Sharon (she/her): Mmm, that's an interesting thought. I love it. I'm loving this. Juicy.
869
01:31:17.610 --> 01:31:18.600
Sharon (she/her): Juicy meat!
870
01:31:19.300 --> 01:31:22.889
Lezley: Well, don't you feel, though, like, in…
871
01:31:23.460 --> 01:31:26.879
Lezley: Pleasure and worship and joy, there's love.
872
01:31:27.250 --> 01:31:30.959
Lezley: Like, that's, for me, what it is. Is…
873
01:31:31.220 --> 01:31:32.219
Sharon (she/her): I hear what you're saying.
874
01:31:32.220 --> 01:31:33.160
Lezley: Yeah.
875
01:31:33.160 --> 01:31:39.069
Sharon (she/her): But I do feel… I've been at heights of…
876
01:31:39.340 --> 01:31:43.390
Sharon (she/her): Ecstasy. Or heights of altered states.
877
01:31:44.040 --> 01:31:54.329
Sharon (she/her): that… That are not… Sensually the same as what love, even unconditional love, feels like.
878
01:31:55.630 --> 01:31:59.400
Sharon (she/her): So I don't know how to… I don't… I can't… I can't elaborate on that, it's really…
879
01:31:59.500 --> 01:32:02.100
Sharon (she/her): Esoteric and personal and nuanced.
880
01:32:02.100 --> 01:32:03.670
Lezley: Yeah.
881
01:32:03.670 --> 01:32:05.620
Sharon (she/her): They feel different to me.
882
01:32:05.910 --> 01:32:06.620
Lezley: Okay.
883
01:32:07.480 --> 01:32:08.450
Lezley: Okay.
884
01:32:11.220 --> 01:32:12.600
Sharon (she/her): Yeah, nuanced.
885
01:32:12.900 --> 01:32:18.950
Lezley: Yeah, yeah, I… I mean, no one can describe to you, or to me.
886
01:32:19.300 --> 01:32:25.820
Lezley: your experience of being alive in the world, right? Like, it's… it's… Such a personal…
887
01:32:26.310 --> 01:32:28.070
Sharon (she/her): Or what orgasm feels like, to me.
888
01:32:28.070 --> 01:32:32.719
Lezley: Or what orgasm feels like. Oh, yeah, exactly. Interesting.
889
01:32:33.650 --> 01:32:34.550
Lezley: Yeah.
890
01:32:34.550 --> 01:32:37.009
Sharon (she/her): Like, orgasm and love feel different to me.
891
01:32:37.750 --> 01:32:39.170
Lezley: Yeah, yeah.
892
01:32:41.770 --> 01:32:45.079
Sharon (she/her): And I can play with that. I can add love to my orgasm.
893
01:32:45.230 --> 01:32:46.589
Sharon (she/her): I can also do that.
894
01:32:47.320 --> 01:32:49.900
Sharon (she/her): Pain and pleasure, you know, even pain and pleasure.
895
01:32:50.080 --> 01:32:51.300
Sharon (she/her): our stories.
896
01:32:51.570 --> 01:32:55.879
Sharon (she/her): They're both just intensities of sensation.
897
01:32:56.920 --> 01:33:02.039
Sharon (she/her): And depending on the story that I tell myself, that sensation will feel a little different.
898
01:33:02.240 --> 01:33:10.059
Lezley: Yeah, I think it's, just a… for me, it's a… it's a limitation of language.
899
01:33:10.060 --> 01:33:14.610
Sharon (she/her): That's probably the most honest thing, the most truth, the biggest truth.
900
01:33:15.130 --> 01:33:16.510
Sharon (she/her): That's the biggest truth.
901
01:33:16.960 --> 01:33:25.869
Lezley: Like, they're literally just symbols for us, and we're trying to describe the experience of being alive and in relationship with divinity.
902
01:33:25.870 --> 01:33:26.190
Sharon (she/her): Thank you.
903
01:33:26.190 --> 01:33:30.029
Lezley: And he's like, Love! Oh.
904
01:33:30.030 --> 01:33:30.400
Sharon (she/her): We're losing.
905
01:33:30.400 --> 01:33:37.449
Lezley: 8-bit language for a virtual reality game. Yeah, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
906
01:33:38.150 --> 01:33:42.590
Lezley: That's a great place to stop, I think. Yeah, agreed.
907
01:33:42.840 --> 01:33:44.309
Sharon (she/her): I think you're so right.
908
01:33:44.460 --> 01:33:52.460
Sharon (she/her): And it really… Yeah, it really, what's the word? Sort of sums up The challenge and the beauty.
909
01:33:52.850 --> 01:33:54.030
Sharon (she/her): Of the struggle.
910
01:33:54.650 --> 01:34:07.279
Lezley: Yeah, yeah, for sure, and gave me the… a tiny lesson of, hey, like, it's not personal, this is… we're just… we're just trading symbols to try and find common ground.
911
01:34:07.380 --> 01:34:10.319
Lezley: In this experience, so…
912
01:34:11.390 --> 01:34:12.469
Sharon (she/her): That's the game.
913
01:34:12.470 --> 01:34:13.170
Lezley: Yeah.
914
01:34:13.170 --> 01:34:13.730
Sharon (she/her): green.
915
01:34:14.590 --> 01:34:16.690
Lezley: Well, thank you, Sharon Marie.
916
01:34:16.690 --> 01:34:18.940
Sharon (she/her): Thank you, Leslie.
917
01:34:19.700 --> 01:34:26.089
Lezley: I, I very much enjoyed this. I didn't know what to expect, and this was overflowing cups, so thank you.
918
01:34:26.090 --> 01:34:27.480
Sharon (she/her): Oh, excellent.
919
01:34:27.480 --> 01:34:28.300
Lezley: Yeah.
920
01:34:28.300 --> 01:34:36.159
Sharon (she/her): Completely agree. I really appreciate… The extra dimensions of these conversations that you brought.
921
01:34:36.320 --> 01:34:38.640
Sharon (she/her): And the etymologies, I love that shit.
922
01:34:39.910 --> 01:34:40.620
Lezley: Same.
923
01:34:41.580 --> 01:34:48.750
Lezley: Roots of the symbols. Imagine the mystics, like, are into that. The symbology?
924
01:34:50.710 --> 01:34:51.360
Sharon (she/her): Hmm.
925
01:34:51.360 --> 01:35:08.290
Lezley: Yeah, okay, great. So, I'll let you know, when this is published, and I'll link you up when I do all the shares. Just as an FYI, the YouTube doesn't do as well as the…
926
01:35:08.530 --> 01:35:15.420
Lezley: the actual Apple Podcast, but I generally… I don't have a huge audience, so…
927
01:35:15.740 --> 01:35:20.769
Lezley: Hopefully, you can get some interest from my crowd.
928
01:35:21.180 --> 01:35:25.059
Lezley: But I'm not super big, not very influential.
929
01:35:26.850 --> 01:35:29.370
Sharon (she/her): I… I… well, let's change that.
930
01:35:29.780 --> 01:35:32.049
Lezley: Yeah, agreed. It's about time.
931
01:35:32.530 --> 01:35:48.569
Sharon (she/her): I plan to put it up everywhere. I'll put it up on all the things. I mean, I don't have a podcast series, so I'll point to yours, like, on the other pieces of social media, and I'll also, if you don't mind, I don't know how to… I don't know how it works with YouTube, if I… but either way, I'll also put it up on my YouTube.
932
01:35:48.570 --> 01:36:03.489
Lezley: Sure. And it just came to me, I don't know if you'd ever be interested in doing this, but I would love to have a conversation like this with you, like, on a live, on a TikTok live or something, to see if we can gather some, like…
933
01:36:03.640 --> 01:36:05.210
Sharon (she/her): Real…
934
01:36:05.260 --> 01:36:08.089
Lezley: Yeah. Back and forth. Yeah.
935
01:36:08.090 --> 01:36:09.310
Sharon (she/her): I would love it.
936
01:36:09.310 --> 01:36:09.950
Lezley: Cool.
937
01:36:09.950 --> 01:36:11.860
Sharon (she/her): I'm best in conversation.
938
01:36:11.860 --> 01:36:17.749
Lezley: Yeah, same! Same! I'm best in conversation as well. I'm good in conversation.
939
01:36:18.720 --> 01:36:20.040
Sharon (she/her): Then let's do that.
940
01:36:20.040 --> 01:36:27.560
Lezley: Yeah, I would love that. Okay, let me think about it. I probably won't be able to do that until the new year. This time is…
941
01:36:27.560 --> 01:36:28.090
Sharon (she/her): Yeah.
942
01:36:29.230 --> 01:36:30.430
Lezley: Not a good time.
943
01:36:30.860 --> 01:36:31.840
Lezley: For me.
944
01:36:31.840 --> 01:36:33.370
Sharon (she/her): I'm not going… I'm not going anywhere.
945
01:36:33.650 --> 01:36:35.600
Lezley: Yeah, and .
946
01:36:35.600 --> 01:36:37.479
Sharon (she/her): I have another book to promote, I mean, technically.
947
01:36:37.480 --> 01:36:45.219
Lezley: Yeah. Well, and I think I'd like to, listen to the book first, so I can speak more intelligently.
948
01:36:45.220 --> 01:36:45.540
Sharon (she/her): Please.
949
01:36:45.540 --> 01:36:52.930
Lezley: on… on the… I want to say academia, but the, like, the…
950
01:36:52.930 --> 01:37:00.679
Sharon (she/her): There's some… there's some academia on it. I think you'll find that part really interesting if you don't already… if you're not involved in Kingdom BDSM and Alternative Lifestyles communities.
951
01:37:00.680 --> 01:37:06.549
Lezley: I'm not, but I'm… I'm fascinated, like, from afar.
952
01:37:06.780 --> 01:37:09.939
Sharon (she/her): Yeah, cause you're dark, cause you're dark. You like the dark.
953
01:37:09.940 --> 01:37:16.169
Lezley: I like all of it, I'm fa- like… It's just so interesting, and…
954
01:37:18.850 --> 01:37:23.489
Sharon (she/her): What's going on over there? Who needs words? This isn't a word.
955
01:37:25.740 --> 01:37:27.170
Lezley: Exactly.
956
01:37:27.170 --> 01:37:29.359
Sharon (she/her): This is the hack. This is the hack.
957
01:37:31.330 --> 01:37:32.340
Lezley: Hacking!
958
01:37:35.060 --> 01:37:37.030
Lezley: Oh my god, that's great.
959
01:37:37.150 --> 01:37:40.019
Lezley: Okay, well, thank you. This was lovely.
960
01:37:40.220 --> 01:37:44.159
Sharon (she/her): Thank you, too. So good to meet you, and I'm sure we'll talk… I know we'll talk again.
961
01:37:44.160 --> 01:37:50.439
Lezley: Yeah, absolutely. This was great. I'm glad you… your… your… whoever it was, your media people reached out.
962
01:37:50.440 --> 01:37:52.200
Sharon (she/her): Yeah, my publisher, yeah.
963
01:37:52.370 --> 01:37:53.690
Lezley: Your publisher. It's great.
964
01:37:53.690 --> 01:37:56.920
Sharon (she/her): Grace Point. Yeah, excellent. I was so glad to meet you.
965
01:37:57.290 --> 01:37:59.019
Lezley: Yeah, same. Thank you.
966
01:37:59.300 --> 01:38:00.110
Lezley: Hey!
967
01:38:02.250 --> 01:38:03.150
Sharon (she/her): Bye, lady.
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